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well, we begin with the new urgency in the fiscal cliff negotiations with now just 21 days, three weeks to reach a deal. today president obama returns to campaign mode taking the fiscal cliff message to detroit. yesterday the president and speaker boehner met privately at the white house, their first face-to-face meeting since they agreed last week to clear everyone else out of the negotiating room. so what happened? well, neither side revealed anything about the meetings, only saying that the lines of communication remain open. but yesterday another influential republican, senator bob corker from the senate banking commission said his party should consider the president's idea of raising tax rates on the wealthy. >> there is a growing group of folks that are looking at this and realizing that we don't have a lot of cards as it relates to the tax issue before year end. we have one house, that's it. the presidency and the senate is in the democrat's hands. a lot of people are putting forth a theory and i think it has merit where you go in and give the president the 2% increase that he's
well, we begin with the new urgency in the fiscal cliff negotiations with now just 21 days, three weeks to reach a deal. today president obama returns to campaign mode taking the fiscal cliff message to detroit. yesterday the president and speaker boehner met privately at the white house, their first face-to-face meeting since they agreed last week to clear everyone else out of the negotiating room. so what happened? well, neither side revealed anything about the meetings, only saying that the...
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what do these numbers mean and what do they portend for the fiscal cliff negotiations? >> it strengthens the president's hand. it was a good number, not great, because of some of the revisions we saw to previous months but the president can tout a record of job creation, so that's encouraging. the unemployment rate went down to 7.7% for some of the wrong reasons. a lot of people left the labor force. that's not something you want to see. you want to see more people coming into the labor force, encouraged that they have a chance at getting a job. nonetheless, 146,000 jobs created. that's good for the president. gives him a chance to go out there and have some momentum going into the fiscal cliff talks. i was just at the speaker's press conference down the hall at the top of last hour and he said look, there's no progress being made and his call with the president was just more of the same and the staff talks behind the scenes yesterday were more of the same. he didn't give us a whole lot of optimism going into this weekend here, alex. >> here's my question. i have many q
what do these numbers mean and what do they portend for the fiscal cliff negotiations? >> it strengthens the president's hand. it was a good number, not great, because of some of the revisions we saw to previous months but the president can tout a record of job creation, so that's encouraging. the unemployment rate went down to 7.7% for some of the wrong reasons. a lot of people left the labor force. that's not something you want to see. you want to see more people coming into the labor...
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or was it just these fiscal cliff negotiations that are going on right now? the inability to make a deal? >> it's the do-nothing congress, their inability to make this deal. the best thing for the economy would be to make a deal and get off the fiscal edge, right. but if they're not going to be able to do that, then bernanke is smart. and again, it's unprecedented for him to do that. it's smart for him to go in and continue to try to stimulate the economy. >> you know, it's one thing for him to say that he is very concerned about the fiscal cliff and what it would do to the economy. but then to back it up with this move. >> yeah. you got to give the guy a lot of credit. it might be his bid for a third term as fed chairman, frankly, because it is creative. it's unprecedented, and by the way, the europeans are now following his lead. >> what is the danger here? >> well, the danger is that we're creating a bit of a bubble with these low interest rates, just like we did, unfortunately, in 2003 and 2004 when greenspan kept interest rates low. and that created the
or was it just these fiscal cliff negotiations that are going on right now? the inability to make a deal? >> it's the do-nothing congress, their inability to make this deal. the best thing for the economy would be to make a deal and get off the fiscal edge, right. but if they're not going to be able to do that, then bernanke is smart. and again, it's unprecedented for him to do that. it's smart for him to go in and continue to try to stimulate the economy. >> you know, it's one...
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coming up we'll, find out from key lawmakers in the fiscal cliff negotiations how we can actually get a deal done before the deadline. representative chris van hollen, lynn jenkins and javier becerra as well as sore orrin hatch with us. we'll hear from former treasury secretary altman and jeff greenfield. bill? >> stocks are trading off the highs of the day with less than an hour to go. final hour, really from the get-go. optimism about the cliff talks and senator harry reid made some comments this afternoon that put a damper on that real. we've lost about 30 points. in that time. up 74 on the dow at 13,244. the nasdaq is doing well today,
coming up we'll, find out from key lawmakers in the fiscal cliff negotiations how we can actually get a deal done before the deadline. representative chris van hollen, lynn jenkins and javier becerra as well as sore orrin hatch with us. we'll hear from former treasury secretary altman and jeff greenfield. bill? >> stocks are trading off the highs of the day with less than an hour to go. final hour, really from the get-go. optimism about the cliff talks and senator harry reid made some...
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cliff. >> behind the scenes negotiations continue today. republicans say they're waiting for the president to outline more spending cuts. the three big issues, tax rates, entitlement reform, medicare and social security, and whether to raise the debt ceiling. we're about to hit it again, and america may need to borrow more. and on those issues at least for now on chilapitol hill, democra seem to think they have the upper hand. that's it for now. >> thanks so much. >>> last night he describes what he says is to use the debt creel as a pawn in the fiscal cliff negotiations. >> they see the handwriting on the wall and they're going to have to extend it, and if they don't the whole country will see they were willing to tank the entire economy and give everybody the tax break to give people at the top a bonus. where they're just dead wrong, ed, is thinking they're going to gain leverage over this debt ceiling because the american people are not going to stand for republicans turning right around and threatening to destroy the american economy by
cliff. >> behind the scenes negotiations continue today. republicans say they're waiting for the president to outline more spending cuts. the three big issues, tax rates, entitlement reform, medicare and social security, and whether to raise the debt ceiling. we're about to hit it again, and america may need to borrow more. and on those issues at least for now on chilapitol hill, democra seem to think they have the upper hand. that's it for now. >> thanks so much. >>> last...
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this is the speed of the fiscal cliff negotiations. blink and you just might miss exactly nothing. while talks between speaker boehner and president obama over the past three days have been shrouded in secrecy, we've learned there have been two offers put on the table. the white house sent boehner a proposal on monday calling for $1.4 trillion in tax revenue, $200 billion less than the original offer. might that seal the deal? >> the president's called for $1.4 trillion worth of revenue. that cannot pass the house or the senate. >> okay then. the speaker's office responded with a deal of its own. yesterday it included precisely the same amount of revenue from the original proposal, $800 billion, which indicates there may have been concessions else where. a democratic source close to the white house tells nbc news the proposal included a permanent extension of the bush tax cuts. that is highly unlikely to fly, given the hard line the president has taken on tax rates and what he told barbara walters in an interview airing this friday on "20/20." >> taxes are going to go up one way or
this is the speed of the fiscal cliff negotiations. blink and you just might miss exactly nothing. while talks between speaker boehner and president obama over the past three days have been shrouded in secrecy, we've learned there have been two offers put on the table. the white house sent boehner a proposal on monday calling for $1.4 trillion in tax revenue, $200 billion less than the original offer. might that seal the deal? >> the president's called for $1.4 trillion worth of revenue....
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he also added he thinks house speaker boehner has been a good leader during the fiscal cliff negotiations. and then we were joined by bob corker and bob conrad. corker said we need to focus
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., let's talk about the fiscal cliff negotiations and the politics of it. how do these numbers effect, if you feel it effects at all the ongoing negotiations? >> first, for the unemployment we would have heard that obama cooked the preelection numbers. and and, second, i'm glad that secretary solis said we don't need more push, particularly benefiting the unemployment and that's got to be part of the fiscal cliff negotiations that. is something that the republicans have to deal with. and i think the republicans and making sure that the debt ceiling is extended for a long time because the one thing that could hurt the economy even more than going off some curb or cliff or slope is if we had a rep tilgs of the debt ceiling battle that we had in 2011. >> so in your view right now, you think that we're past -- potentially past the tax reform question? it's about not the stimulus money but the debt ceiling negotiation and it's important because many communities are not impacted by private sector job growth and need the public sector jobs that the stimulus would
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president obama has put house speaker john boehner and republicans in a box on fiscal cliff negotiations. and the evidence is mounting. president obama stayed on offense today, visiting the santana family in northern virginia whose taxes will go up more than $4,000 in 2013 if middle class tax cuts aren't extended. >> i'm encouraged to see that there's been some discussion on the part of republicans acknowledging the need for additional revenue. as i've indicated, the only way to get the kind of revenue for a balanced deficit reduction plan is to make sure that we're also modestly increasing rates for people who can afford it. folks like me. just to be clear, i'm not going to sign any package that somehow prevents the top rate from going up for folks at the top 2%. >> the concerted effort from the white house is very clear. here's white house press secretary jay carney. >> what will produce a deal is an acknowledgement by republicans, republican leaders, that rates on the top 2%, the wealthiest americans, have to rise. there is no deal without that acknowledgement, and without a concrete,
president obama has put house speaker john boehner and republicans in a box on fiscal cliff negotiations. and the evidence is mounting. president obama stayed on offense today, visiting the santana family in northern virginia whose taxes will go up more than $4,000 in 2013 if middle class tax cuts aren't extended. >> i'm encouraged to see that there's been some discussion on the part of republicans acknowledging the need for additional revenue. as i've indicated, the only way to get the...
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cliff negotiations? >> well, you know, you're right. some folks look at this and say the economy's strong enough. it should be able to digest big tax increases spending cuts. others look at it and say look we still have a very high unemployment rate, a long way to go to get back to full employment. the economy can't tolerate big tax increases and spending cuts. most political debates the realitis in beten. we do need to addres o fiscal problem so we do need to go through some spending cuts and we also need some tax revenue increases. but we have to phase it in over time, otherwise the economy will choke on that. we can't have too much restraint too quickly. so we have to phase this in, smooth it in to make it palpable for the economy. >> susie: until that happens, there is a lot of anxiety in the labor market. the big fear for many individuals and for investors is that companies are going to start laying off workers. we saw this week that cities he annnced 11,000 job cuts, is this the beginning of a tren
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. >> reporter: right now it's looking more likely that we could, could, go over that fiscal cliff at the end of the month because right now, negotiations here are at a stand still. president obama talks to the business round table today after telling bloomberg he absolutely won't bunch. the wealthiest americans must pay more. >> we're not going to be able to get a deal without it. >> reporter: he may be in a good position to wait it out. a new poll found more half of americans will blame republicans if we go over the fiscal cliff. >> republicans do not want to touch one hair on the head of one person making over $250,000. that is the rub. >> they've got to come with some specific revenue. they refuse to do that. >> reporter: even other republicans are split on john boehner's plan to avoid tax hikes all together and admit negotiations are going nowhere. >> nothing going on privately that's not going on publicly. >> reporter: republicans say the president needs to meet them halfway. >> he's got to be serious. he's offered more spending, more stimulus than offering any new cuts. >> repo
. >> reporter: right now it's looking more likely that we could, could, go over that fiscal cliff at the end of the month because right now, negotiations here are at a stand still. president obama talks to the business round table today after telling bloomberg he absolutely won't bunch. the wealthiest americans must pay more. >> we're not going to be able to get a deal without it. >> reporter: he may be in a good position to wait it out. a new poll found more half of americans...
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. >>> back here at home, fiscal cliff negotiations in washington are still up in the air. most lawmakers have gone home for a long weekend break. this as timothy geithner says the obama administration is willing to go over the fiscal cliff. nbc's tracie potts joins us live from washington with an update. good morning to you. >> reporter: let's start with geithner. he told cnbc that instead of continuing tax breaks for the wealthy, the obama administration is willing to go over this cliff which means they're willing to let your taxes go up and unemployment checks go away massive spending cuts happen if the pentagon instead of continuing the tax breaks for the wealthy. now there's been very little progress here on chiapitol hill which is why so many have gone home. we know that president obama and john boehner spoke by phone. republican sources telling us they had a conversation yesterday. we don't have a readout on what that was about. we don't know that if any meetings have been scheduled. but any small sign of progress is welcome here on capitol hill. now with so many law
. >>> back here at home, fiscal cliff negotiations in washington are still up in the air. most lawmakers have gone home for a long weekend break. this as timothy geithner says the obama administration is willing to go over the fiscal cliff. nbc's tracie potts joins us live from washington with an update. good morning to you. >> reporter: let's start with geithner. he told cnbc that instead of continuing tax breaks for the wealthy, the obama administration is willing to go over...
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alan simpson painting a bleak picture behind the scenes of the fiscal cliff negotiations. good morning. this is "way too early." thanks for being up with us this morning. we have a lot to get to on this thursday, december 6. >> including president obama actually making his appeal to business leaders on his tax plan. he's now reaching out following a very tough election campaign. >> and overseas, protests get violent in egypt where the once stable nation appears to be on the verge of crisis. first, let's get to the news live at 5:30 here at 30 rock in new york city. we begin with 25 days to go until the year end fiscal cliff deadline for the first time in days president obama and speaker boehner spoke on the phone yesterday. both men agreeing not to publicly characterize how the conversation went. but the stalemate in negotiations entered bold new territory yesterday with treasury secretary tim geithner suggesting the white house is ready to go off the cliff if republicans refuse to raise taxes on the top 2%. >> if republicans do not agree to that, is the administration pre
alan simpson painting a bleak picture behind the scenes of the fiscal cliff negotiations. good morning. this is "way too early." thanks for being up with us this morning. we have a lot to get to on this thursday, december 6. >> including president obama actually making his appeal to business leaders on his tax plan. he's now reaching out following a very tough election campaign. >> and overseas, protests get violent in egypt where the once stable nation appears to be on...
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." >>> some conservatives are having emotional debates over the fiscal cliff negotiations. the arguments for higher taxes for the wealthy are getting very tense. ann coulter even tried a reality check on sean hannity. >> are you saying, then, for pr purposes, that they should give in to obama on the tax rate? >> not exactly. well, yeah, i guess i am, but -- >> you're saying capitulate to obama, who -- we don't have a revenue problem, ann. >> we lost the election, sean. >>> meanwhile, the house of representatives passed legislation yesterday removing the word lunatic from all federal laws. it's the latest move by congress to remove language seen as demeaning or out of date, like lunatic. >>> and in australia, prime minister julia gillard talked about the supposed prediction by the mayan calendar that the end of the world is coming in two weeks. well, she did it for a comedy video for a radio show. >> i'm confident in the prediction that the world is about to end. whether the final blow comes from flesh-eating zombies, demonic hill beasts or from the total triumph of cable, i
." >>> some conservatives are having emotional debates over the fiscal cliff negotiations. the arguments for higher taxes for the wealthy are getting very tense. ann coulter even tried a reality check on sean hannity. >> are you saying, then, for pr purposes, that they should give in to obama on the tax rate? >> not exactly. well, yeah, i guess i am, but -- >> you're saying capitulate to obama, who -- we don't have a revenue problem, ann. >> we lost the...
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it does seem as though immigration will be the issue of next year once the fiscal cliff negotiations are over. we have heard from a number of republicans who think immigration reform may be easier to achieve a. in 2006, we had some very heated debate on that topic. at this point after an election where republicans lost the latino voters by a very large number, they are saying they would like to see immigration reform passed in some way. they will push it differently. >> i think governor peter shumlin is back. we were talking about immigration and global warming. did you want to finish your thoughts? >> what is right for vermont or massachusetts may not be bright for virginia or some of the other oil-producing producing states. i believe strongly that climate change is the single biggest challenge we face and we cannot move fast enough to do energy efficiency better. from the governor's perspective, it is a job creator. as we move to renewable and energy efficiency, which we have to do for climate change and because america cannot afford to continue to import oil that is $4, five buck
it does seem as though immigration will be the issue of next year once the fiscal cliff negotiations are over. we have heard from a number of republicans who think immigration reform may be easier to achieve a. in 2006, we had some very heated debate on that topic. at this point after an election where republicans lost the latino voters by a very large number, they are saying they would like to see immigration reform passed in some way. they will push it differently. >> i think governor...
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for now, fiscal cliff negotiations have slowed activity. "this is where the market is frustrated by politics. it's a vicious circle." even at a meeting of start-ups, a group some consider below the radar of fiscal cliff negotiations, some entrepreneurs are becoming unusually cautious. "you have to take pause and assess what healthcare and taxes may cost, but we also have an obligation to our investors, so we see the fiscal cliff thing as a temporary roadblock but not something that...it won't stop us from hiring at this moment." one bright spot - according to analysts at mesirow, housing, expecially new housing, in many markets is being driven by investors purchasing homes. another indicator - remodeling. people are putting money into their homes more now. carpeting, appliances, and contract work all spreads the wealth. thank you chuck. still ahead, stocks that make the "must own" list for 2013, right after the break. here is a question a lot of people are asking themselves this time of year - how's your equity portfolio looking? little anx
for now, fiscal cliff negotiations have slowed activity. "this is where the market is frustrated by politics. it's a vicious circle." even at a meeting of start-ups, a group some consider below the radar of fiscal cliff negotiations, some entrepreneurs are becoming unusually cautious. "you have to take pause and assess what healthcare and taxes may cost, but we also have an obligation to our investors, so we see the fiscal cliff thing as a temporary roadblock but not something...
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. >>> turning now to politics and the fiscal cliff negotiation. president obama and speaker boehner are keeping an open dialogue. speaking on the phone yesterday after trading secret proposals to avoid the year-end deadline. with few details revealed, officials say the president lowered his initial asking price on tax cuts to $1.4 trillion. president boehner took his displeasure to the house floor. >> we're still waiting for the white house to identify what spending cuts the president is willing to make as part of the balanced approach that he promised the american people. where are the president's spending cuts? the longer the white house slow-walks this process, the closer our economy gets to the fiscal cliff. >> president obama responded, showing republicans where they could find the details. >> it's not a mystery. we've seen this before. this is the document that contains the specific spending cuts. the speaker of the house sent us a proposal that was two pages long that included one sentence on revenue. the proposal here includes, i believe f
. >>> turning now to politics and the fiscal cliff negotiation. president obama and speaker boehner are keeping an open dialogue. speaking on the phone yesterday after trading secret proposals to avoid the year-end deadline. with few details revealed, officials say the president lowered his initial asking price on tax cuts to $1.4 trillion. president boehner took his displeasure to the house floor. >> we're still waiting for the white house to identify what spending cuts the...
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it does seem as though immigration will be the issue of next year once fiscal cliffs negotiating are over, if ever. we've heard from a number of republicans who think that immigration reform might be easier to achieve this time. as you may recall, in 2006 and 2007 we had heated debates on that topic. but at this point, after an election where the republicans lost the latino votes by a large number they would like to see immigration reform pass in some way and they are going to approach it differently this time. >> we apologize for the live signals but we were talking about the immigration and the issue of global warming. did you want to finish your thoughts? >> sure. i want to say what is right for vermont, massachusetts, may not be right for virginia. having said that, we believe and i believe strongly that climate change is the biggest single challenge that we face and we can't move fast enough to do energy efficientcy better. the other point about that from the governor's perspective is it is a jobs creator. as we move to energy efficientcy which is good for climate change but ame
it does seem as though immigration will be the issue of next year once fiscal cliffs negotiating are over, if ever. we've heard from a number of republicans who think that immigration reform might be easier to achieve this time. as you may recall, in 2006 and 2007 we had heated debates on that topic. but at this point, after an election where the republicans lost the latino votes by a large number they would like to see immigration reform pass in some way and they are going to approach it...
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it was a quiet day of trading with no economic data and no noteworthy movement on fiscal cliff negotiations. the s&p 500 stuck to a very narrow trading range, just six points from its low point right after the opening bell to its highest level of the session, around 11:00 a.m. eastern time. the index finished up by a fraction. trading volume was light-- 591 million traded on the big board; just over one and a half billion moved on the nasdaq. the materials sector led the gains, up seven tenths of a percent. the consumer discretionary sector was the biggest drag, falling six tenths of a percent. a couple of metal stocks led the way up for materials. with global demand waning, prices have been soft. cliff's natural resources mines the iron ore used in steel furnaces. shares were up 4.6%. they were at a year-low at the end of last month. specialty metals maker allegheny technologies also picked itself up from its yearly low, rising 3.2% today. travel web sites operator priceline.com hit the brakes in the consumer sector. shares fell 5% to a three-week low. investment bank deutsche banc cut its
it was a quiet day of trading with no economic data and no noteworthy movement on fiscal cliff negotiations. the s&p 500 stuck to a very narrow trading range, just six points from its low point right after the opening bell to its highest level of the session, around 11:00 a.m. eastern time. the index finished up by a fraction. trading volume was light-- 591 million traded on the big board; just over one and a half billion moved on the nasdaq. the materials sector led the gains, up seven...
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now, economists say these numbers are huge for fiscal cliff negotiations. they back president obama's argument that the economy is doing well enough to handle attack -- handle a tax hike for wealthier americans. >> the fact that this this report is strong, i think puts a little bit of wind in his sails. >> reporter: john boehner is holding a news conference here on capitol hill. he's now lead -- he's now leading the negotiations with president obama. we will show -- we will show you -- tell you what he has to say coming up next hour. >>> starting next year, apple will start making some of its products here in the u.s. apple's ceo tim cook says one of its manufacturing operations will be moved here from china. it's not clear where that assembly plant will be. that announcement comes as criticism is mounting. >>> well, clorox corporation has a deal with a san diego- based investor to sell its headquarters building in downtown san diego. west core properties agreed to buy the 24-story building on broadway. the terms of the deal, that has not been disclosed. bu
now, economists say these numbers are huge for fiscal cliff negotiations. they back president obama's argument that the economy is doing well enough to handle attack -- handle a tax hike for wealthier americans. >> the fact that this this report is strong, i think puts a little bit of wind in his sails. >> reporter: john boehner is holding a news conference here on capitol hill. he's now lead -- he's now leading the negotiations with president obama. we will show -- we will show you...
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host: how will the fiscal cliff negotiations affect you? will you lose benefits? caller: i will lose benefits at the end of december, and i will have to go on county assistance to see what they can do to help, but i would rather go back to work. i started picking work when i was 12 years old. host: what are you doing to prepare for the scenario? caller: i am trying to get my ged but i have always had a problem with education. guest: this is a huge issue. people like john are not at the negotiation table. it is tough to consider the full range of decisions. what we find time and time again is that the education and skills component of helping unemployed workers get back into the workforce is a big obstacle. we have 40 programs on the federal level to deal with that, but based on analysis out of rutgers university, is usually people that have been able to find their own education path and get their own skills and out of these government programs have been the most successful. that is a problematic dynamic. host: lisa is next from texas on the independent line. good
host: how will the fiscal cliff negotiations affect you? will you lose benefits? caller: i will lose benefits at the end of december, and i will have to go on county assistance to see what they can do to help, but i would rather go back to work. i started picking work when i was 12 years old. host: what are you doing to prepare for the scenario? caller: i am trying to get my ged but i have always had a problem with education. guest: this is a huge issue. people like john are not at the...
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. >>> to the fiscal cliff negotiations now. it is crunch time. with just three weeks before higher taxes and spending cuts kick in, negotiations are underway, but it's not known what if any progress is being made. speaking in michigan yesterday, the president said he's willing to compromise a little, but the gop wants to know specifics. danielle nottingham has more. >> reporter: president obama's campaign to steer clear of the fiscal cliff took him to a diesel engine plant outside detroit. >> congress doesn't act soon, meaning the next few weeks, starting on january 1, everybody's going to see their income taxes go up. >> reporter: private face-to-face talks were revived this weekend when house speaker john boehner went over to the white house. neither side is releasing details about the conversation, but taxes are still the big sticking point. >> i'm not going to have a situation where the wealthiest among us including folks like me get to keep all our tax breaks. >> reporter: republicans have adamantly opposed raising taxes, but now some are co
. >>> to the fiscal cliff negotiations now. it is crunch time. with just three weeks before higher taxes and spending cuts kick in, negotiations are underway, but it's not known what if any progress is being made. speaking in michigan yesterday, the president said he's willing to compromise a little, but the gop wants to know specifics. danielle nottingham has more. >> reporter: president obama's campaign to steer clear of the fiscal cliff took him to a diesel engine plant...
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we begin this morning with new urgency in the fiscal cliff negotiations with now just 21 days to reach a deal. that's three weeks. today president obama returns to campaign mode, taking his fiscal cliff message to detroit. yesterday the president and speaker boehner met privately at the white house. their first face-to-face meeting since they agreed last week to clear everyone else out of the negotiating room. neither side revealed anything about the meeting that was part of the agreement. only saying that the lines of communication remain open. but yesterday another influential republican, senator bob corker from the senate banking committee, said his party should consider the president's position on raising tax rates on the wealthy. >> there is a growing group of folks that are looking at this and realizing that we don't have a lot of cards as it relates to the tax issue before year end. i mean, we have one house, that's it. the presidency and the senate's in the democrats' hands. a lot of people are putting forth a theory, and i actually think it has merit where you go ahead and giv
we begin this morning with new urgency in the fiscal cliff negotiations with now just 21 days to reach a deal. that's three weeks. today president obama returns to campaign mode, taking his fiscal cliff message to detroit. yesterday the president and speaker boehner met privately at the white house. their first face-to-face meeting since they agreed last week to clear everyone else out of the negotiating room. neither side revealed anything about the meeting that was part of the agreement. only...
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cliff negotiations? >> the president is making the case that the economy is getting better but still fragile and sea and the republicans have both said the country goes over the fiscal cliff it will be very bad for the economy. >> it shows people are still confident -- at what point will that confidence start to wayne? >> probably when we get around christmas or get down to the very last days before the end of the year. these things never get done until both sides backs are up against the wall and the calendar is about to run out. the other side wants to appear they gave too much. -- neither side wants to appear they give up too much. >> a balancing act to the end. thank you so much. >> 23 days ago. not everything is a on the internet is ok in the eyes of the law -- what a virginia judge decided about a post by a woman who slammed the work of a contractor hired to make repairs. >> the -- belfort furntiure weather center a fog advisory for the overnight hours. early tomorrow morning been a big warmup foll
cliff negotiations? >> the president is making the case that the economy is getting better but still fragile and sea and the republicans have both said the country goes over the fiscal cliff it will be very bad for the economy. >> it shows people are still confident -- at what point will that confidence start to wayne? >> probably when we get around christmas or get down to the very last days before the end of the year. these things never get done until both sides backs are up...
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wile we focus on the fiscal cliff negotiations, or more appropriately the impasse, many of our state governments aren't in much better shape. state pension systems, unfunded liabilities are now estimated to be in the range of $2.5 trillion to almost $4 trillion. leading is california with more than $370 billion in unfunded pension liabilities, only 47% are currently funded. a pension debt per household in california of almost $30,000. illinois close behind, $167 billion in unfunded liabilities, 28% funded, and the state pension debt per household amounting to over $34,000. in municipal bonds illinois sold over $5 billion in bonds this year making it the third biggest debt issuer in the first three quarters this year. california and new york, numbers one and two with. the issue of unfunded pension liabilities with the passage of right-to-work laws is a subject that i'm going to be taking up with our next guest. -@mallory factor, author of can the bestseller, "shadow boxes: government nioos control america and rob taxpayers blind." we are delighted to have you with us. let's turn first
wile we focus on the fiscal cliff negotiations, or more appropriately the impasse, many of our state governments aren't in much better shape. state pension systems, unfunded liabilities are now estimated to be in the range of $2.5 trillion to almost $4 trillion. leading is california with more than $370 billion in unfunded pension liabilities, only 47% are currently funded. a pension debt per household in california of almost $30,000. illinois close behind, $167 billion in unfunded liabilities,...
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we have breaking news on the fiscal cliff negotiations. eamon? >> we have a statement from john boehner's office. they're saying that they have made a counter proposal now to the white house. let me read you the statement. they say, we sent the white house a counter offer that would achieve tax and entitlement reform to solve our looming debt crisis and create more american jobs. this from the speaker's office. they are also saying that their offer now today was in response to a new offer from the white house. we know that the ap is also reporting that at least partial offers have been exchanged between the two sides over the past two days. so, clearly, what we know here is that paper is changing hands and the deal making is actually happening right now. what we don't know is what the content of that deal is. and speaker's office telling me right now that they're not going to be able to provide any detail on what was in that counter offer, so, behind the scenes, the mystery continues here. >> so, again, we're not necessarily zeroing in on exactly
we have breaking news on the fiscal cliff negotiations. eamon? >> we have a statement from john boehner's office. they're saying that they have made a counter proposal now to the white house. let me read you the statement. they say, we sent the white house a counter offer that would achieve tax and entitlement reform to solve our looming debt crisis and create more american jobs. this from the speaker's office. they are also saying that their offer now today was in response to a new offer...
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cliff negotiations. >> the president seems to be walking us ever so slowly towards the cliff. we have said we are committed to staying here. we are going to stay here right up until christmas eve. throughout the time and period before the new year. >> now, their warning followed a 15 minute phone call between john boehner and the president described as tense by the news team. a characterization, the speaker himself disputed. >> i remain the most optimistic person in this town, but we have serious differences. the president and i have frank conversation about just how far apart we are. >> democratic sources tell us the phone call fell apart because the latest counter proposal included an extension of tax cuts for the wealthy, a permanent extension. another that was disputed. the press secretary reiterated that is a non-starter for the president. >> they refused to accept the fundamental fact that higher income americans, millionaires and the billionaires, the top two% are not going to have tax cuts extended. the president made that clear. >> now with negotiations stuck dare we
cliff negotiations. >> the president seems to be walking us ever so slowly towards the cliff. we have said we are committed to staying here. we are going to stay here right up until christmas eve. throughout the time and period before the new year. >> now, their warning followed a 15 minute phone call between john boehner and the president described as tense by the news team. a characterization, the speaker himself disputed. >> i remain the most optimistic person in this town,...
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the only reason we can't saturday fiscal cliff negotiations have fallen apart is that the two sides are still talking. but things are bad, make no mistake. and neither side is optimistic that anything can get done at all. with congress and the president careening to the edge of the cliff, the public is ignoring party lines and demanding an end to this mess. 70% of democrats, 59% of republicans want their own party's leaders to come to an agreement, even if it means not sticking to long-held positions on taxes and entitlements and yet despite those demand, the country is evenly divided on whether they think a consensus can be worked out here in washington, whether they believe obama and boehner can strike a deal. interestingly folks that are paying more attention to the fiscal cliff story are more pessimistic. it's the folks paying less attention that are more optimistic. judging by what we're hearing from negotiators, the public clearly knows something is up in the bad way. >> i remain the most optimistic person in this town but we've got some serious differences. the longer the white h
the only reason we can't saturday fiscal cliff negotiations have fallen apart is that the two sides are still talking. but things are bad, make no mistake. and neither side is optimistic that anything can get done at all. with congress and the president careening to the edge of the cliff, the public is ignoring party lines and demanding an end to this mess. 70% of democrats, 59% of republicans want their own party's leaders to come to an agreement, even if it means not sticking to long-held...
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cliff and they're notle to negotiate and put something on the table. we've put a good faith effort on the table and you know what, the president is the leatheaet lead. i expect him to be in washington rather than out campaigning. the campaigning is over. it's time to sit at the table with the leaders and that's what it's going to take. i'm very disappointing that's not happening. >> i want to play something that house speaker boehner had to say yesterday. >> the revenues we're putting on the table are going to come from guess who? the rich. now, there are ways to limb the deduction, close loopholes and have the same people pay more of their money to the federal government without raising tax rates. >> congresswoman, the "new york times" reporting today that boehner is enjoying the broadest support he has seen in two years but as you know, a lot of conservatives are very angry over his giving any ground on revenue. is the speaker's leadership still strong in your estimation? >> i think it is. and i know that it's a very tough position for our leader to
cliff and they're notle to negotiate and put something on the table. we've put a good faith effort on the table and you know what, the president is the leatheaet lead. i expect him to be in washington rather than out campaigning. the campaigning is over. it's time to sit at the table with the leaders and that's what it's going to take. i'm very disappointing that's not happening. >> i want to play something that house speaker boehner had to say yesterday. >> the revenues we're...
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but i'm guessing with the way the fiscal cliff negotiations are going the estimated $852 quadrillion dollars of funding needed for one alone just isn't in the cards. dog gone it. i'm going to sign up tonight. >>> can both parties reach an agreement ones fiscal cliff? 40% of you say yes, 60% say no. >>> coming up, this could be one of the dumbest votes the republicans have ever cast in the history of the senate. we'll talk about the big win and the emotional reaction from moderates. that's next. what's next? he's going to apply testosterone to his underarm. axiron, the only underarm treatment for low t, can restore testosterone levels back to normal in most men. axiron is not for use in women or anyone younger than 18. axiron can transfer to others through direct contact. women, especially those who are or who may become pregnant, and children should avoid contact where axiron is applied as unexpected signs of puberty in children or changes in body hair or increased acne in women may occur. report these signs and symptoms to your doctor if they occur. tell your doctor about all medica
but i'm guessing with the way the fiscal cliff negotiations are going the estimated $852 quadrillion dollars of funding needed for one alone just isn't in the cards. dog gone it. i'm going to sign up tonight. >>> can both parties reach an agreement ones fiscal cliff? 40% of you say yes, 60% say no. >>> coming up, this could be one of the dumbest votes the republicans have ever cast in the history of the senate. we'll talk about the big win and the emotional reaction from...
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even in the debt ceiling debate or the fiscal cliff negotiations that neither side will give and they're both being unreasonable. and really not drilling down. the other thing they do is they really go back to newt gingrich and grover norquist. as you've talked about both these things, changing the culture of washington and making compromise impossible. >> here's something really naughty, i think in terms of policy. who can forget back in august not a million years ago when the romney pollster neil newhouse said the following. we're not going to let our campaign be dictated by fact checkers. think about that. fact checkers meaning facts. >> right. >> i was on the show with you the other night. we talked about the quotes of the year. 47%. >> that's a good one. >> i thought this should be the top two of three. that showed their view towards reality. it was an arrogance that we can say whatever we want to say. and i think in years past, this is what's changed. campaigns would not be so brazen. if caught in a lie they maybe feel some shame. here's neil newhouse telling reporters that we don'
even in the debt ceiling debate or the fiscal cliff negotiations that neither side will give and they're both being unreasonable. and really not drilling down. the other thing they do is they really go back to newt gingrich and grover norquist. as you've talked about both these things, changing the culture of washington and making compromise impossible. >> here's something really naughty, i think in terms of policy. who can forget back in august not a million years ago when the romney...
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cliff negotiations. again, once again, they're going to hold the process that the american people did not much enjoy. and they're going to do that to try to get something very unpopular, which is taking away a lot of people's medicare benefits. ak they're only going to see more intransigent work stream. more out of touch of where the american people are. governor, carl rove was with bill o'riley. watch this. >> i think what the speaker is trying to get across is at this point, the republicans are pretty much in disarray. they can't compete with the organized democratic machine. that's why romney lost. >> they are in disarray. they doept have a clue of what to do. they're not in any way consistent with what they want. they want taxes raised on the rich. it spurred 23.5 million new jobs in six years. americans get that stuff. they've got to be voiced and sustained. by the way, all of this is political calculation. crystal is right. they're worried about the primary. good lord, have some guts and do what's
cliff negotiations. again, once again, they're going to hold the process that the american people did not much enjoy. and they're going to do that to try to get something very unpopular, which is taking away a lot of people's medicare benefits. ak they're only going to see more intransigent work stream. more out of touch of where the american people are. governor, carl rove was with bill o'riley. watch this. >> i think what the speaker is trying to get across is at this point, the...
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cliff negotiations. this is where the rubber meets the road. this is where it's actually happening at the state level. at the local level. this is where all of that money that was released into the political system by citizens united is actually now paying off. >> yeah, and that is what's frightening nationwide because citizen's united opens the door everywhere. and we're seeing them searching for a model on how to do this. that is why even the detroit free press, in an editorial, and, again, this is a paper that had endorsed governor snyder two years ago. it says the right to work champions, the determination to emasculate once and for all the democratic parties most reliable source of financial and organizational support. now, senator, let me say this to you. if they can get away with it in michigan, michigan has 671,000 union members, 17.5% of the work force, fifth highest in the nation. if they can get away with it in michigan, they feel they can just steam roll all over the country. >> i think every
cliff negotiations. this is where the rubber meets the road. this is where it's actually happening at the state level. at the local level. this is where all of that money that was released into the political system by citizens united is actually now paying off. >> yeah, and that is what's frightening nationwide because citizen's united opens the door everywhere. and we're seeing them searching for a model on how to do this. that is why even the detroit free press, in an editorial, and,...
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a little face time in the fiscal cliff negotiations. president obama and house speaker john boehner sat down at the white house this afternoon. no details on the meeting. and the big winter storm is reeking havoc across the upper midwest, the dakotas to michigan, it's the heaviest snowfall of the season. minnesota police say the bad weather caused more than 300 car accidents in 24 hours. more news later. now back to "caught on camera." >>> a police officer tracks down a suspect on a bridge. and ends up in the fight of his life. >> and at that point i realized that i was definitely in a bad place. >> davenport, iowa, july 31st, 2009, officer cliff anderson is working traffic enforcement when he hears a report of an assault at a nearby cafe that serves the homeless. >> one of the volunteer servers at the cafe had been assaulted by one of the clients that had come in, and then immediately after they attacked, the suspect left the area. >> soon anderson gets an update that he's two blocks away from where the suspect is spotted. >> at that t
a little face time in the fiscal cliff negotiations. president obama and house speaker john boehner sat down at the white house this afternoon. no details on the meeting. and the big winter storm is reeking havoc across the upper midwest, the dakotas to michigan, it's the heaviest snowfall of the season. minnesota police say the bad weather caused more than 300 car accidents in 24 hours. more news later. now back to "caught on camera." >>> a police officer tracks down a...
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cliff negotiations. only 36% trust the "r"s in congress. joining me is nbc chief white house correspondent and political director and host of "the daily rundown," anything else you control around here? >> that's enough. >> and "the washington post's" chris cillizza. i think you've been reupped. you're all over the place. you're the greatest. the absolute best there is in this -- >> let's be careful talking about the president outside the beltway in virginia. >> this is why i want you and chris on. what is the president hoping to get done? what's his time frame? does he believe in the cliff or does he think it's a bungee jump? >> no, he truly believes in the cliff. he has been getting -- and he's getting economic warnings from his own team that say, don't believe the congressional budget office, which is kind of rosy about this, who says it would be a tough 2013 if we went over the cliff but things would get better. he is getting updates saying, no, no, no, we will go into recession. >> therefore, let's g
cliff negotiations. only 36% trust the "r"s in congress. joining me is nbc chief white house correspondent and political director and host of "the daily rundown," anything else you control around here? >> that's enough. >> and "the washington post's" chris cillizza. i think you've been reupped. you're all over the place. you're the greatest. the absolute best there is in this -- >> let's be careful talking about the president outside the beltway...
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and more people trust him to handle fiscal cliff negotiations than speaker boehner to handle the pole. poll. is that why people feel he's going to win at least talking about taxes. >> one, the approval rating is very high. two, republicans go either way. whether republicans want to cut a deal and raise taxes just on the rich or whether they won't go with a deal on january 1st, you'll see taxes to rise on everybody. there's a feeling with democrats they're going to win and get what they want either way. this is trufrustrating republic. when i talk to republicans privately, they say this is hugest from trags. the speaker has put $800 billion on the table and said he would go higher than if the president would come along with spending cuts. >> how high are you hearing? >> it's unclear. i think he's just signaling a willingness which many republicans tell me will also end up being a move on the tax rates. but he can't go there with his caucus, unless he has the spending cuts that he can sell $800 billion in revenue, and we're going to get you $800 billion in spending cuts. democrats don't
and more people trust him to handle fiscal cliff negotiations than speaker boehner to handle the pole. poll. is that why people feel he's going to win at least talking about taxes. >> one, the approval rating is very high. two, republicans go either way. whether republicans want to cut a deal and raise taxes just on the rich or whether they won't go with a deal on january 1st, you'll see taxes to rise on everybody. there's a feeling with democrats they're going to win and get what they...
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they look at the role of lobyists in those fiscal cliff negotiations. and an update on the situation in syria. washington journal live at 7:00 a.m. on c-span. >> by a majority of 6 to 3 and they are going to say that is precedent. and indiana had a -- >> they decided on the indiana case it was constitutional for them to establish i.d. they did not say that all of those states who have subsequently done that -- >> let me finish because you misrepresent what i said. >> hold on. >> that's the law of the land. >> when i hear these accusations that black people, voter i.d. laws disproportionately affect minorities, it implies to me we have something missing in our brain. to me if white can get i.d.'s to vote and follow the processes to follow the laws, what are you telling black people? that they are not good enough, that they are lesser than and that bothers me from democrats on the left that we always have to make special -- there has to be a specialness when we deal with minorities because they are too feebleminded. we need to make concessions for them be
they look at the role of lobyists in those fiscal cliff negotiations. and an update on the situation in syria. washington journal live at 7:00 a.m. on c-span. >> by a majority of 6 to 3 and they are going to say that is precedent. and indiana had a -- >> they decided on the indiana case it was constitutional for them to establish i.d. they did not say that all of those states who have subsequently done that -- >> let me finish because you misrepresent what i said. >>...
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can you give the american people status update what is happening with these fiscal cliff negotiations? do you see that coming together, both sides? >> i hope so but there's a cliff in this country in terms of how we approach things. the president ran on a plank, very wealthy no longer should get a tax break. middle class taxpayers should continue to get a lower tax than they otherwise would. the republicans, if i might say so, simply have to listen to the election results. the president was clear. we asked can dates to be clear about their positions. the president was utterly clear that the tax rates for high income people should return to the clinton era. the people spoke. the republicans should listen. jenna: congressman, pleasure to have you on set. look forward to have you come back. talk to us about spending at the national level. >> be glad to do that. jenna: thank you for the time. jon? jon: get away from all this earthly talk of fiscal cliffs and other problems and get to dramatic new findings from space. nasa's hubble space telescope has helped astronomers discover something
can you give the american people status update what is happening with these fiscal cliff negotiations? do you see that coming together, both sides? >> i hope so but there's a cliff in this country in terms of how we approach things. the president ran on a plank, very wealthy no longer should get a tax break. middle class taxpayers should continue to get a lower tax than they otherwise would. the republicans, if i might say so, simply have to listen to the election results. the president...